The Tea is Hot! On this episode, host A.J. Haynes sits down with Chasity Wilson, Executive Director of Louisiana Abortion Fund. Chasity breaks down the importance of vulnerability and empathy in reproductive justice work, emphasizing that everyone is one decision away from facing hardships. The two real life friends also discuss what "mothering" in Reproductive Justice leadership looks like. Chasity shares her approach to balancing work and motherhood, stressing the importance of negating urgency and maintaining creativity. She also reflects on the challenges of leading a diverse team and the necessity of authenticity. It wraps up with Chasity illuminating her vision of LAAF as a recognized pillar of change, emphasizing the need for the organization to be seen as a community of experts rather than just a resource. Grab you a cup of tea and get cozy for this episode!
The Tea is Hot! On this episode, host A.J. Haynes sits down with Chasity Wilson, Executive Director of Louisiana Abortion Fund. Chasity breaks down the importance of vulnerability and empathy in reproductive justice work, emphasizing that everyone is one decision away from facing hardships. The two real life friends also discuss what "mothering" in Reproductive Justice leadership looks like. Chasity shares her approach to balancing work and motherhood, stressing the importance of negating urgency and maintaining creativity. She also reflects on the challenges of leading a diverse team and the necessity of authenticity. It wraps up with Chasity illuminating her vision of LAAF as a recognized pillar of change, emphasizing the need for the organization to be seen as a community of experts rather than just a resource.
Grab you a cup of tea and get cozy for this episode!
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grab you a cup of tea and get comfy baby, because this is Season Two of the South has the answers, and this season, your host, AJ Haynes and Eric Fleming will be speaking to reproductive justice leaders across the country, specifically those who are working in the Deep South. Today you'll hear from Chasity Wilson, Executive Director of Louisiana abortion fund. Here she is, if
you're not vulnerable and willing to or able to empathize and like place yourself in these situations or imagine yourself, because the thing about it is we're all one decision or one moment or one misstep away from unfortunate circumstances. And I think that's the tricky thing about like, privilege and our understanding of privilege, we often think that there's so much distance between one another, between like I can't believe they're like that, and it's like you're only one decision away from that. So that vulnerability, like this work requires vulnerability because it requires connection, and you can't be connected to this work without being vulnerable. Great.
Hello, hello, hi, hello, hello, hello, hey, hello, hello, hello. Alright, y'all, we are here with Chasity of laugh, peel, peel, peel, peel. We were just kicking and talking about how, yeah, how we are living in a state of of creating the world, right, right? It's generative and it's messy and it's awkward, and really embracing that so and embracing that, we're just gonna get into it. Okay? Off top, let's celebrate Chasity, if you're listening in your cars or wherever you're listening, you know, I know, for me personally, you've transformed what I think is possible in terms of mothering, in terms of, you know, not mothering, just like as a parent, as someone who's birthed a child or has a child, but as someone who's that embodies that force. Yeah, you know, it's a
lot of mothering that goes into this work for sure. Yes,
so I wanted to ask you first, yeah, how do you how do you incorporate care for your child, for yourself, for yourself, for your child and this organization.
Oh, my God, that is such a dope question. Oh, that's good. Um, start with care, media, take notes. Um, that's a really good question, because, like, I think, um, so much of my like, day to day work is built around like bullet points and technicalities that I don't think and I get it for sure, but I don't think people fully understand the amount of like heart that goes into being able to show up to work like this. Because while this is a lot of people's like, jobs, you know what I'm saying? Like this is, this is my job. It's how I'm able to make a life for myself. But a lot of the decisions that I'm able to make, or a lot of the things that I'm able to even consider comes from mothering. So it even it goes from something as simple as, like, sometimes I laugh at myself because I'll, like, call myself, like, the hall monitor, or, like, running for class president in third grade. A lot of it is like, you know what? This week has been really crappy. It's Friday, it's noon, clock out. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what mothering looks like for me. But also just how I approach the importance of it. One thing that I'm really big on is negating the principle of urgency. So, like, I really do believe in, like, a perfect example, my kid is in school now. So there are some mornings where we got the routine, we wake up, we brush our teeth, and he's like, down for it. And there are some mornings where I can clearly tell like he's like, I don't care about none of this. I don't want to put my shoes on. I don't want to wear these pants, like I don't want to do this. And so mothering to me is staying in tune, like I know that we said that this newsletter has to go out. This day. Or, I know that we said that we wanted to have this piece of practical support done, or we want to do this, but it's like, that's not what the day is calling for. Actually, we need to have another conversation. Or actually, we may need to sit and just like, dream for a few minutes. You know, like, let's like, make sure that we're still able to stay creative and not become so rigid that we stay out of touch with what the movement needs. Ooh, say that again. Yeah, I see that a lot. And like I said, I get why, because it's really easy to get caught up in the cycle of the need instead of like, while this may be a really important resource. What if we pivot from this for like, a minute and throw a party, or, like, what if we step away from this for a minute and, just like, invite some people to Kiki with us and ask some questions, because sometimes you need that engagement or that level of conversation so you can, one, keep yourself grounded. To make sure that you're always having these checkpoints to stay engaged, because it's very easy to, like, tell yourself that I'm not engaged in this part of it. I'm only engaged in this part. Like, I only do abortion work. We see that a lot. I only do I'm only an abortion fund, or I'm only, you know what I'm saying. We're only funding abortion, and it's like, yes and name, but when you look at the community approach that's required for us to do this work, well, there is a whole other layer to this that's mothering, right? Like, it's one thing to say, I have to feed my kids, but it's another thing to be like, Wow. Like, I'm thinking, you really haven't had pizza in a minute. Let's get pizza. Like, it's, it's that it's that constant, like, staying in tune, doing the dance, that's, that's what it's like for me. So if that means that I'm drafting a policy where it's like, oh, I'm noticing the team is working like over 60 hours a week. I don't really like that. So what can I do to make sure that people still feel satisfied with their work product, but also, in a way, kind of introduce this option so that you know that like rest is top of mind for me, but it's also an option for you, not forcing it. But I want you to know that this is an option for you. Those are some of the things that take place for me when we're talking about, like, mothering, and how I integrate that into work, and then also always having access to a kid keeps you there. It creates some levity, like it's like, oh, I want to play. Okay, you want to play today. Cool, that it's all of that.
I'm just like, smiling ear to ear. We can end the podcast right now. We just said everything that was needed in six minutes. There you go, go, go, right? Everybody, take note. Period. Done. Move on with your day. This is so rich, right? Like so thank you for that. Oh, I'm just sitting with it. One of okay, so I noticed in your emails you have a quote that says, reminder they aren't voiceless, and they don't need you to be a voice for them. Just pass the mic.
Cheer. Oh,
will you speak on that? Because I feel like a lot of people put stuff in their email, you know what I'm saying, and yeah, and it just becomes like rote, instead of like, something that you revisit, so I would love to hear what you're speak on it.
Okay, so I don't know how much context I can give, but for y'all who don't know, like AJ and I are friends in real life for real um, so a part of that means that AJ has witnessed, um, pieces of my journey in this work from not just like a board member space, not just from like my boss, like AJ used to be my boss, right? Like so, not just from that space, but also, um, witnessing what it was like and what it is not so much anymore, but witnessing what it was like for me as a young black woman, essentially taking the reins of a white founded organization, and while I Have a lot of pride in what this organization was supposed to mean, or is supposed to mean in this community, especially in a state like Louisiana, right to be able to move money in an essentially poor state means a lot. That's a heavy burden. I saw that. Quote, in the thick of me trying to take this, this thing, this essentially concept, and turn it into something that can withstand and represent a myriad of people, instead of just a resource that people were supposed to be grateful for. And I was feeling very defeated, and I came across that video, that quote comes from a video, and the young lady's name is like escaping my mind, but, and I follow her Instagram, but she said it in the middle of what I would do, what I would deem, like a revolution in the feminist movement and like social justice. It was like that, 20 Yes. Diana Bryant, yes, thank you. Um, it was, it was during that like, 2020, 2021, like that tumultuous, like angst of letting go the reins and letting people speak for themselves, instead of white martyrdom, and instead of like white resource being used as a way to speak for people in ways that were actually more harmful than helpful, and it felt so hard trying to get people to see like, hey, Hey, hey. What if, instead of us trying to, like, do things for people, what if we create a resource that allows people to speak for themselves, choose for themselves, represent themselves, see themselves. And it goes beyond just like hiring a staff that's diverse, or just like, you know, having a black Ed like it goes beyond that. And I found people trying to speak for me, and I was like, No, I know exactly what I'm trying to say. I know exactly what I'm trying to say, and I know exactly what I'm trying to do. And I kept getting this pushback, as if I was inadequate and capable and unsound, and that was very frustrating for me, because it was the first time I'd ever experienced that, especially because of my background, right? Like I'm a lawyer, I'm coming from these academia spaces that are highly competitive, and I am used to being able to win my place, so this being the first job that was directly centered in, like, community, very informal, very kind of, like everybody's kind of winging it, kind of situation, I saw that the rules that I came from were not applying well, like they weren't translating well. And so I was trying to find the balance of maintaining structure, maintaining order, while still maintaining authenticity. And that quote just really, really struck me, because it was like, I don't need your help in saying what I'm trying to say. I need your help in making sure I have the resources so that what I'm saying can translate well to the people who are meant to hear it, that's where I was in that headspace, and to this day, like, I've, I've been here since, like, what, December, 2020 so, like, I became ed in 2021 and that quote still, like, rings true. Like, even as a southern like, there's layers to my identity in this work, I am an executive director, but I'm also a black woman, then I'm also a southern black woman, so that's a whole different culture shift. And I'm young, like I was like 2627 like trying to find my own little, little way in my 20s, but also being very, very passionate and clear about what I thought this thing could be. And so, you know, having to work with people who've been doing this work longer than I've been born, you know what I'm saying. And like trying to find reverence, but also like, say, hey, while you are absolutely right, and while your work has really, really done wonders, we can take this to the next level, if you would trust me, and if you would give me, instead of using the resources for me, give me the resources, and let's see what I can do with it. If I this up, I'll take it, I'll take it, right? But what if I don't that's that was my headspace with that, with that quote, and to be able to finally hone in on that power and be able to pass the mic in the ways that I've been able to in a very authentic, loving, nurturing, supportive way, without forcing people to compromise themselves. It's been really gratifying. It's been very like, Huh? I didn't even think I was gonna do this much, like, I was just trying to, like, take some shit back, like, and, you know, like, reconfigure. But that's, that's the headspace I was in with that quote.
I love the the reclume. Information like this theme of Reclamation and also expansion, right? How you know, in what you're talking about, you know, our home is reproductive justice, yeah. And also, how do we grow our home, right? Yeah. And so I love seeing in practice how we're just adding to and how you specifically are embodying that in real ways. I I really appreciate the way you say, you say what you mean. You meet what you say,
Okay,
guys, great. And then, and I've also witnessed you like, say it say it ugly and say it wrong. You know what? They were wrong, not even wrong or right. It's just like this is the way that it is. This is the way that I'm experiencing it. Yeah. And so my next question is, how does vulnerability show up, and how you lead?
Um, I don't think I have a choice in that. Um,
you can't do this work past like six months without being vulnerable. And I say that because of the level of Intel you get access to, if you're not going to be vulnerable, you have to get out of the way, because then you'll you'll become destructive, like, if you're not vulnerable and willing to or able to empathize and like, place yourself in these situations or imagine yourself. Because the thing about it is, we're all one decision or one moment or one misstep away from unfortunate circumstances. And I think that's the tricky thing about like, privilege, and our understanding of privilege, we often think that there's so much distance between one another, between like, I can't believe they I can't believe they live like that, and it's like you're only one decision away from that. So that vulnerability, like this work requires vulnerability because it requires connection, and you can't be connected to this work without being vulnerable, which is why cultural competence, regional reverence and like, an ability, and ability to be very honest about who you are and where you are is required in order to do this work. Well, because you're serving, like, I'm a servant to people, um, and so that requires me to, like, sometimes get in a corner and be like, Oh, okay, although this, although this is not my reality, and although I may never, I may have never experienced this, or I may never know what this actually feels like. What would I want someone to do for me? What does help really look like that's vulnerable as hell. You know it's, it's like, or even being able to ask yourself, is what I'm doing really helping me? I mean, is what I'm doing really helping other people, or is it serving me and my ego to make me feel like I did a good job? Right? Because if it's just about moving money, then that's, that's essentially the easy part, um, but when you're talking about programmatic work, when you're talking about external, uh, connections, when you're talking about being able to speak to anybody never met a stranger, like just that Southern way of being, that's vulnerable. That's vulnerability, you know, um, and so, like, it's required. It's required. If I wasn't vulnerable, I know for sure I wouldn't be here four years later. For sure,
it's so wild that it's been four years. I would like, I would like to come back to you mentioned cultural competence, and I'm hearing that word a lot more. So I would just love like, what's your take on cultural competence, and, yeah, how you embody it, how you practice it, you know, um, in turn, in the context of all this,
well, I am very committed to being myself. Um, and dare I say, I recognize that one of the privileges of my jobs is that it requires me to be myself, um, and that's a privilege like a lot of people don't get to experience. So I don't take that lightly, especially as a black person, um, being able to show up as your whole self at work. Um, so cultural. Presents to me is acknowledgement. It's just simple. It's just simply, like acknowledging differences and being able to navigate those differences with like respect and reverence and like openness. I am originally from Memphis, Tennessee. All my family is in Memphis. You know? I live in the south. I've never lived anywhere outside of the South. Have no plans on it, um. And so when I think of culture, it's not just me being a black woman, it is also me understanding, like, what the south means in a very like contextual way, what it means, like as a backdrop of society and culture, like when we're talking about culture, and like how the south really does carry American culture on its Back in a lot of ways, and it's not acknowledged in the ways that I think it should. I could be biased. I don't think I am. Oh yeah, go ahead, even
if you are biased, you're right. At this
point, you're right. Yeah, it's respect. It's acknowledging, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's cultural competence to me. And in that acknowledgement, being able to learn, being willing to embrace something that may be different from what you understand. There are even parts of southern culture that I'm still getting to know. But it's very interesting that once I experienced them, I'm like, oh, that's where that comes. Oh, got it. Okay. Cool. You know, learning, like, the origin of things, um, and so like, again, when you're talking about movement, when you're talking about movement building grassroots, like the concept of something being grassroots from the ground, from the dirt, like it's, I don't know, it's just me, it's just me, and I'm very committed, and I've seen too well how my authenticity has moved things further along than me trying to run a script or than me trying to, like, participate in something simply because I was told I was supposed To. I've been on calls with people from different areas, different races, different different backgrounds, and I've seen where the status quo is to nod your head, agree. You know what I'm saying. Go along with the flow. Um, answer the question as lightly as possible. But then there's sometimes it kicks in where it's like, Oh no, I have a question. Why do y'all do that? Like that? Okay, I mean, if it makes sense to me, like, cool, but then it's like, what? But why? I think it's that. It's like, but why? And sometimes a simple why will make you be like? I don't even know. I don't know why we do that. That's just the way it's done. And to me, the Southern way is being like that don't work no more. That doesn't work like that's not that's not evolving with where we are. So it's all of that, for me, like just awareness, authenticity, moving slowly, which is moving intentionally, being able to say, like making your Yes really, really mean yes and your no mean absolutely not. Is that. It's all of that?
Yes? So I'm just like furiously nodding my head, because if I could put myself off mute, you just hear every two seconds. I'm just trying to be gentle with your ears, you know. So I have another question, what is, what is in your spiritual medicine bag these days, and how does it help you in your RJ work? I
have to be honest with you, it's very interesting that you asked that question, because, like, where I am on my personal journey, is actually me feeling very out of touch with that right now. I don't think I've re i don't think i've prioritized resetting my tool bag the way that I normally would because of just the pace the work. The pace of the work has kind of changed. You know what I'm saying? It's a little more immediate, and it requires a lot more like fast thinking than maybe the past couple years. And I say, and that may take some people by surprise, because, like, they're like, what like, Dobbs happened just two years ago, whatever case may be. But I always use that conversation as a as an opportunity to remind people that, like, if Dobbs is what woke you up, you were behind. Mind like Dobbs didn't throw us off of our square. It's not to say it didn't impact us. That is not what I mean, especially when we're talking about resources, especially when we're talking about policy and the rate, the way that resources now have to be shared and distributed, but when we're talking about how we navigated crises, and like, community need. It didn't really shift what we were already doing. And so spiritually, I feel like the one thing that I have, that I've been able to, like, just hold on to, is tea. Tea, like I'm not. I'm a tea girl, um, I sit in silence a lot like I actually, the most I talk is at work, um, and then one of my I don't know if this is considered a spiritual practice. You may think so, but like, I do not take meetings on Mondays or Fridays. Like, it's really important for me and I, and I actually adopted this, I want to say, like, maybe a year, year and a half ago, but I started to notice that the way I start my week is how my week ends. And so it's really important for me to be able to go into a Monday and just like, focus on emails, or focus on, like, getting myself ready for the busyness of the week and then Friday being able to kind of like, guide myself out of the week, because I started to notice that I will log out, and then life would still be happening. So I would have to go from work to life in a flash, and I never got the chance to like, okay, that's done. Let me make my to do list for next week, and then I'm like, I get to usher myself out. So that's very important to me, too. Um, I'm barefoot a lot. I'm barefoot a lot. I don't wear shoes or socks, especially in my home, girls say, Look,
I got no shoes.
I don't I don't do that. Um, a lot of baths. Like, I sit in water a lot, um, free play with my kid, like, like, belly laughing, yelling, screaming, like all that kind of stuff. Like just playing. That is very spiritual for me, because it reminds me that, like, while shit is shitty, there are still, like, some bright spots that I have, that I've earned, you know what I'm saying, that I've worked really, really hard for because I came I became a mom very intentionally, especially after, you know, my own experiences with like abortion access and things like that, like becoming a mom in the way that I was able to become a mom means a lot to me, and it really, really built the foundation of how I do it. So, yeah, that's, that's what I got so far.
That is so rich, what you're talking about. I ain't got no spirit. You got a whole fleet. You got a whole suitcase. Like, but
I say that because, like, before this period or this moment in my life, like, I used to be that girl that was like, head wrapped up incense burning all the time, like meditating all throughout the day. Like, that was me, and it was like, this work was like, nope. Like, you notice it was just like, Oh my gosh. Like, I felt thrust into, um, a world that like, while my intentions were pure and it was built on, like, genuine curiosity, genuine need to like help, genuine want to like, connect with people and talk about this stuff that me and my girlfriends were already sitting at dinner talking about, There is also an underlying culture of RJ work that you don't get to experience unless you're in it. And I think that, I think that's I think that matters for all, like work, all cultures, all you know what I'm saying. I'm sure tech people have the same thing to say. I'm sure the legal world has to say, like, it's the same. But there are just some pieces of it where it's like, oh, okay, all right. You know, you just didn't think you would have to navigate. But you do, you do? Oh,
though I want to know, speak on that, what's the T on that? What do you mean? There's something different to how, you know, there's a So, there's something about the RJ culture that you don't know about until you're in it, and also perhaps like specifically within the context of the South, you know, well, I.
Yeah, one of the most heartbreaking parts is when you realize how many of us are fighting for scraps in a movement that was built on such love and care like I feel like so many people love to discuss like, RJ was founded by like, 12 black women, and that's always, like, such a beautiful, inspiring thing to hear. But when you hear how they had to meet at that kitchen table, and, like, drill down the principles and like, that piece is the part that's never really, really brought to life, and you experience remnants of that throughout the work. And so when you're doing this, especially in the south, there's still oppression. Just because you're doing movement work does not mean that you don't have to politic. It doesn't mean that you don't have to play a game every now and then. It doesn't mean it doesn't mean that there's love everywhere. You know what I'm saying? Like, you would like to think that something that's truly rooted in, like service, community, you know, family, rights, humanity, that it would all be beautiful and everyone is on the same page. That's not necessarily the case, especially when you are working in something as specific as abortion access and abortion care, which is simply a piece of the RJ puzzle. There are a lot of there are a lot of, like, relays in this thing. Like, it's the, you know what I'm saying, especially when you're talking about resources, or when you're talking about how people communicate with one another, when you there's a lot of gatekeeping in RJ, and that is not, and I don't think, I don't think it's intentional. I think that, unfortunately, we live in a world, and especially when you're talking about movement building, a lot of people do not get the credit that they deserve. So when, so when you do this work, you do feel like you need to cling to it, just so people will one respect the efforts that went into it, regard you as such, and make sure that proper credit is due, because, if not, we've seen throughout the test of time, like we've seen, how other races or other cultures or other people can come in and swoop in and take your stuff, run with it, and go do great things in their world, and never come back and pour back into yours. And that happens in the south so, much like when you're talking about movement building and how people are able to come to the south and and it's in our nature as Southern people to pour into people we've never met a stranger. You know what I'm saying? If I got greens and you got cornbread, let's put it together and make it happen. Like it's a lot of that, and unfortunately, that can be taken advantage of so in such an ugly, gut wrenching way. And it can be so disheartening, and it can harden you, like, it can make you feel like, why am I doing this, you know? And I don't think it's egotistical for people to want credit for their brain children like, that's not egotistical, even if it is service based. It's not wrong first for you to want to sometimes hear Thank you, you know? And so that is that it's that it's those layers, you know what I'm saying, and the and the obstacles to get resources, the the long reports, having to write down proof of your work, having to like, you know what I'm saying, like, over extend your mental capacity in order for someone to say yay or nay on whether or not you deserve something. So you can't even just do your work the way you want to. You can't pour into people the way you want to. You can't just go and help the community the ways you want to, because everything comes with rules and goals, and like, Well, did you meet this and did you do do it this way? And it's just a lot of that, and I don't think, I don't think people, I don't think many people know that and understand, like, how that can really mess with you when you are moving from such an authentic heart space, and all you want to do is, like, help,
right? And I feel like that culture is not just it's our it's within RJ spaces, movement work in general and nonprofit, but it's also outside of nonprofit work too, right? It's how we've been told we have to shape movement. So I have one more question for you, thinking. About shaping movement. I love that you said brain children. Also, I want to put a pin in that I love thinking about about our ideas as as children. So we see you as a creative and a strategist who's always thinking 10 steps ahead? That's that Virgo. That's a Virgo is gonna I'm here for it. We love a Virgo. What are you envisioning, dreaming for life's future?
Oh, you need 20 extra minutes.
That's why. That's my last question, yummy. Um, that you want to tell us. You know, I gotta tell us everything. But I want to know the team so
many things. Um, many of them have come true in a shorter period of time than I, than I thought they would. Um, and again, like, authentically, um, oh, I definitely want laugh
to be
recognized as one of, like, how do I word this? I want lab to be recognized as like, a pillar of change and inspiration, um, and I say that because, yes, we are an abortion fund, like at our core, that's, that's what we do, that is what we do, and I believe we do it very well. But the fact that, like, I really, really want laugh, to have more of an opportunity for people to tap into our genius, like last staff is full of, like, brilliant people. Like, I mean, outside of just like job titles, our team is so smart and sharp and like, we're a team of full people and I, and I really hate that, because the nature of our work is deemed dangerous, that people don't get to experience us as people that often, you know, like to hear our access coordinators, like talk about the things they want to do with the line, and like how they want to connect with callers. And like, you know, to hear Tyler, like, talk about us working in, like, academia and being seen as like experts that people can literally pull research from. You know what I'm saying? Um, that is, that is like, like, before I leave this org, you know what I'm saying. I don't know when that would be, but like before I leave, I would really, really like to continue to facilitate spaces where people can hear our genius. Because I think that from the outside looking in, it is very easy to believe that last change only came with a change of leadership. And that's not necessarily true, because as as great as I may think I am, there are some things that have happened within laugh. There are people that I've met, there are people that now work with us, that I couldn't have dreamed that up by myself. You know what I'm saying? Like the perfect example I have is I heard Luna on a whole other show and emailed her just on a whim, and was like, I need your help. And that turned into something else which turned into something else which turned like, it seemed like, once I got still and once I got grounded in my ability to foster it was like, Cool. All I had to do was say, Yes, that was all I had to do. And because I've been able to do that, I've been able to, like, create this cool ass team that is able to just like, come to me with an idea, and I can either say, Okay, how we gonna make this happen? How does this fit? And if they can show me how I can fit, let's do it. And that's the coolest job. Like, that's the coolest part of my job. My job has become less like pen to paper and more of like, mothering. I feel like I'm at a constant kitchen table where kids, the kids, or like, you know what I'm saying, my team can just come to me and be like. Hey, I've been thinking it's like, oh, hell. How much is
it like?
Let's do it. So I really want people to have more insight into that, like, into our process, into how we communicate, into how we gather and like, how policies come, how changes come, how like, I want more of that for laugh. You know, I want us to be seen as people and not just like this resource that lives in the world. That's what I want,
that I I'm just so thankful to hear you, you dreaming in terms of legacy and that you are not just a beginning or an ending. You're, you know, you're an expansion, and that will continue to fractal and and grow. So that's what I want. I just want to thank you so much for your time again, chastity like Thank
you.
I've tried this whole time not to cry, and I'm gonna succeed, damn it all right. Show thank you again, chastity for being here with us
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